Phoebe Robinson and Jessica Williams could be saying goodbye to 2 Dope Queens after its upcoming second season, however they’re doing something however disappearing. The duo, who vaulted their in style podcast to a collection of HBO specials, are bringing the venture to an finish after its second season for an excellent cause: they’re simply too rattling busy with their numerous books, TV writing gigs, and film roles. (In reality, Jessica’s newest movie, Company Animals, is making its debut on the Sundance Movie Pageant.)
We caught up with Jessica and Phoebe at an HBO brunch of their honor at Sundance, the place we additionally witnessed a panel dialogue between the dopest of queens and CNN political commentator Angela Rye. The panel coated every little thing from hair braiding and beatboxing to Michelle Obama – a former visitor on the podcast – whom Jessica stated “was very hydrated. Her pores and skin was like mmmmmmm. Like whenever you chew into candied yams and you are like, ‘These are superb.'”
Talking of girls in politics, our interview occurred on a notable day within the information, with Sen. Kamala Harris formally kicking off her presidential marketing campaign. Throughout her dialog with Jessica and Phoebe, Angela questioned concerning the sexism and racism we have already seen lobbed at Harris.
“It has been so fascinating to me to see the variety of sheer haters she had simply out the gate, and a whole lot of it isn’t even based mostly on actual info,” Angela stated. “How afraid are you all that people aren’t doing their analysis and discovering out what’s actual and what’s not? It doesn’t suggest that folks do not need to be critiqued – all of us do. However individuals must be critiqued on the details.”
Phoebe answered: “I feel as a lot as liberals actually imply nicely they usually actually need to maintain individuals accountable, I feel plenty of occasions there is a quickness to be like, ‘Should you’re not good, you are canceled.'” That related perception was simply certainly one of many we heard Sunday afternoon – learn on for our dialog with Phoebe and Jessica about self-care, #MeToo, and enjoying the flute with Lizzo.
POPSUGAR: This subsequent season of two Dope Queens goes to be your final, and you’ve got a incredible lineup of visitors – Lupita Nyong’o, Daniel Radcliffe, Lizzo, Janet Mock, Keegan-Michael Key . . . Did you assume, “OK, that is our final season. We actually need to accomplish XYZ” or “We actually need to have this individual on”?
Jessica Williams: We knew we simply needed to have some actually good exhibits. We tried to do every thing we did on the primary season however take it to the subsequent degree. We tried to make it possible for we stored and honored what 2 Dope Queens all the time was – even in podcast type at WNYC – whereas additionally simply having a special set, working with new comics, and getting all these visitors that we love. We simply actually tried to ensure we have been nonetheless having enjoyable.
Phoebe Robinson: Yeah, it was actually good and I feel the viewers was actually enthusiastic about it. Season one, you are doing HBO – you simply wanna ensure you do not break the factor – and now we’re at a spot the place we’re like, HBO trusts us, we had an excellent first 4 episodes, so let’s simply go for it with the themes, the wardrobe, the visitors. I feel the Lizzo interview was so enjoyable. She has such nice power.
PS: There’s some precise fluting that takes place? Is fluting a verb? I do not know.
PR: Yeah! We did some flauting? Some fluting? It was simply cool to have it’s this actually enjoyable celebration.
PS: You’ve got each been actually open about the truth that you are juggling tons of tasks and also you’re each tremendous busy, which is why you are saying goodbye. One of many issues my coworkers and I needed to know is if in case you have any nice self-care ideas with that in thoughts.
PR: My two issues are, first, I wish to work out. I do know that sounds lame, however it’s actually good. In case you’re driving a motorcycle, it is like, I am not on the telephone, I am not scrolling Instagram, I am not speaking to a good friend, so you’ll be able to actually concentrate on that. I’ve additionally been doing loads of charity stuff, too, as a result of I feel self-care is nice to recharge your personal batteries, nevertheless it’s additionally good to then put that power towards another person – an individual who truly wants it rather a lot. So I have been working rather a lot with [bread and water?] You’ll be able to volunteer at a soup kitchen or no matter. Giving again makes it really feel like a group, as a result of know-how has separated us in loads of methods, and so doing that kind of factor reminds you we’re all on this collectively. We’re all a household.
JW: Undoubtedly what Phoebe stated. I really like remedy, so I’m going to remedy as soon as every week. Even once I’m touring, I nonetheless do telephone periods. I feel it is hobbies, additionally, that convey you pleasure. I do pottery, portray. And staying lively. I really like boxing, so I field fairly a bit. I’ve endometriosis, which hasn’t been nice, however it has actually pressured me to cease and rethink what my self-care actually is. So, I needed to do issues like watch what I have been consuming, and eat much less soy, and be certain to not beat myself up for the best way my physique is feeling that day. And in addition to take time with pals. That is actually necessary: friendship time with individuals who actually perceive you and maintain you tight.
PS: Phoebe, you probably did an Instagram video just lately about strolling out of a membership set if you came upon there was an accused abuser on the invoice. And we have seen different guys in comedy attempt to stage a comeback, like, 5 minutes after they have been accused. Do you assume comedy as an area has been notably immune to #MeToo?
PR: I feel it is simply extra that, [at] comedy golf equipment, there isn’t any HR. He was unannounced. The membership booked him – the one that was operating the present did not guide him. I noticed he was there, and I used to be identical to, this does not really feel proper to me. And I feel if we need to not carry out with sexual predators and abusers, we additionally should take the stand to be like, properly, I simply will not carry out that present.
Individuals have been like, “Aw, it sucks that you simply misplaced stage time!” I did not lose stage time. That is greater than comedy. Everybody, clearly, has to make their very own selections. However for me, I do not really feel snug acting on stage with an alleged rapist. That is simply not what I am eager about. I feel it is disrespectful to the viewers members who did not know that was occurring, it is disrespectful to sexual assault victims, and it is disrespectful to the opposite comics on the lineup. That was simply what I felt within the second. I used to be like, I haven’t got to take part on this . . . I feel typically as a result of there is not HR, it is tough. Individuals are like, I haven’t got to do the correct factor. I can simply kind of chase cash, or that is my good friend, or I’ve forgiven him, or regardless of the case could also be. I feel that is what makes it onerous for the comedy world to flat out be like, that is unacceptable. As a result of it is simply the wild wild west in plenty of methods.
JW: Nice film, additionally. [Laughs]
2 Dope Queens is again on HBO on Feb. eight with visitor Lupita Nyong’o.
Stella Artois and Ladies in Movie offered POPSUGAR with journey and lodging on the 2019 Sundance Movie Pageant